Chip registration - new rules

[doggedasdoesit]

I have done a little search of the forum and can't find any thread on the subject but if there is, please forgive me - and point me in the right direction.

Honey is a Gap dog and, as far as I'm aware, her chip is registered to GG. On the assumption that she should be registered to us (and likewise all the other Gap dogs) will GG be letting us know who the dogs are registered with so we can register our own addresses or can we tell via the chip number?

[sibs]

Thanks for highlighting this Mr Dadi. I assumed that the dog should be microchipped and that since the charity 'owns' the dog that the microchip giving its address and contact details would suffice. I suspect that it is going to be another instance where responsible people are put to the bother and the people who should be targeted go under the radar and the poor canines suffer .

[doggedasdoesit]

The problem is that some part of the regulation says the "owner" needs to register and other parts say the "keeper". I think this means we will have to change Honey's registration from GG to ourselves as we are definitely the "keepers". But I can't do that as I don't know who GG registered her to, hence the question.

[henpecked]

There is a thread on facebook about this. Seems confusing. I think all Gap dogs are registered to Gap ( mine are ) If they go missing Gap will notify all proper people & help to search for them. Also if something happens to owner Gap will take them back & find new home for them. Possible best option would be dual reg on chip, adopter plus Gap ? Im not sure which chip companies do this but am looking as it seems the best way to go. Hope this info is correct. Sure a Gap person will be along with more info soon.

[burnsider]

This Government web site (Appendix 5: dog microchipping) only talks of "keeper".

And the Regulations state (my emphasis):

Details to be recorded on databases
5.—(1) The details to be recorded on a database are—

(a)the full name and address of the keeper;

(b)where applicable, the fact that the keeper is also the breeder;

(c)if the keeper is the breeder and is licensed by the local authority under the Breeding of Dogs Act 1973(6)—

(i)the breeder’s licence number; and

(ii)the name of the local authority by which they are licensed;

(d)the original name or identification number given to the dog;

(e)the contact telephone number (if any) for the keeper;

(f)the name given to the dog by the keeper, if that is different to the details recorded pursuant to sub-paragraph (d);

(g)the sex of the dog;

(h)the breed of the dog, or a description if it is a cross-breed;

(i)the colour of the dog;

(j)the most accurate estimate of the dog’s date of birth which the keeper is capable of giving; and

(k)the unique number of the microchip implanted in the dog.

[Ali]

All Gap dogs are currently microchipped to Gap with up to date contact details. Having them chipped to Gap, and keeping them chipped to Gap, means they will always be safe. Not all chipping companies will allow dual registration so by keeping them with Gap's details should anything happen those details will give your dog the best chance of being reunited.

We can, of course, arrange for the chips to be updated and will do our best to dual register where possible. if you would like yours updated can you please email [e-mail] with the following information:

Chip number (should be on your vaccination card/adoption paperwork)
Dog's original Gap given name (the chip will remain in this name)
Your Full Name
Your Full Address
Contact telephone number(s)

If you chose to have the chip reregistered, you MUST ensure that you keep these details up to date with the microchipping company and it is imperative that you should contact us immediately if your dog goes missing so that we can do our utmost to help get your dog back. Our contact number should anything happen is: 07917 422489.

[ragsysmum]

Happy to leave little Elsie chipped to GAP. She's a real home bird and mummy's girl anyway so unlikely to run off and get lost and the dogs never go out in the garden alone either so unless stolen from in the house, we should be pretty safe I think.
Just wondering though how many changes some unlucky/difficult dogs chips could go through in a lifetime if changed with every move...

breeder
1st owner
rescue group
foster home
2nd owner....and so on. Is this really what they want?

[burnsider]

Jan 11, 2016 4:38:10 GMT -5 ragsysmum said:

... Just wondering though how many changes some unlucky/difficult dogs chips could go through in a lifetime if changed with every move...

breeder
1st owner
rescue group
foster home
2nd owner....and so on. Is this really what they want?

I think what they want is to be able to contact the person responsible for the dog i.e. the keeper if something goes wrong (dof lost or caught worrying stock). It's the keeper's responsibility to control the dog's behaviour.

If you are the keeper of a dog and the chip is NOT registered to you, you could be looking at a large fine...... It's £500 for no chip, I can't find what it will be for an incorrectly registered chip.

[Ted]

I see the Government (Defra) see no reason to ensure by law that vets etc scan all dogs on first being registered with them they seem to think all councils etc automatically scan dogs coming into their care i.e. stray and abandon dogs.

[kamkay]

Doesn't seem very logical does it , that owners must chip by law , but that vets and councils do not have to check them.

[Lisa]

All racing greyhounds are supposed to be chipped to their racing owner for years. Most of them land with is with no details registered on the chip. Who's going to come and smack our fingers the microchipping police? It's rubbish they won't police it. The way I look at it...

Change your chip out of Gaps name.
Leave the dog with a kennels or home boarder whilst you holiday
Fly abroad for 2 weeks.
Dog legs it first day.
Carer can't get hold of you or doesn't out of worry and hopes the dog will turn up
Dog gets picked up 2nd day of your holiday. Enters stray pound.
Day 9 to 10....dog dead
Day 14... fly home to message on your phone from dog warden

Second scenario... go on holiday. Dog legs it. Pound can't get hold of owner rings rescue. Rescue steps back in.. dog safe and alive when you get back

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[vickyb]

My preference is all the info on, yours and ours if possible. We never leave ours anywhere or go away without them but even on hol with them we often have dodgy mobile signals so a manned phone like Gap is ideal should Bod get lost.

[burnsider]

Third scenario - dog is loose (for whatever reason) involved in an accident. Police scan dog and find it NOT registered to keeper. Keeper gets unnecessary fine.

I'm with Vickyb. Our dogs have never yet been left with someone they do not know (and then only for a few hours). Dual registration covers all of the bases. A second chip appears to be an alternative, but unnecessary, problem. 

I agree scenario 1 is a (small) risk to the dog.


Relying on Scenario 2 is a risk to the keeper, not to the rescue!


Dual registration appears to be an answer.

[Ted]

All my Hounds are registered with PetLog the Kennel Club Database. This allows you to record up to two carers against the microchip number i.e. Gap and the person who are the legal carer of the dog. This then covers you in case your dog is found by the local council etc and therefore prevents you getting fined for not having your dog recorded to you. It also allows you to have a account with the record of all your dogs, you can also put a temporary address on their records when say you are on holiday so you can be contacted there as well. Ensure your mobile number is on their records so that you can be contacted if necessary. Always make sure the dog's records are kept up to date if you move.

[Lisa]

If they find the chip hasn't been updated they give you 28 days to do it before they fine.

Last year my scenario happened to a dog we rehomed. Bonnie was left with a person she knew well. Her owner was on holiday and couldn't get back. The dog bolted within 2 hours of her flying. Luckily her owner was contacted by a family member and she gave them my number. It didn't sadly have a happy ending for Bonnie as she got clipped by a car 5 days after running and during an amputation to amputate her leg she passed away.

IF our adopters carry out instructions issued at time of adoption and carry a legal identification disk on the dogs collars with their details and ours then the microchips are only ever a back up.

Incidentally....All these new rules are being implimented but microchips will still NOT be legal proof of ownership so should your dog go missing and someone else bugger off with it and fabricate a story you'd still not have leg to stand on. I find it bloody infuriating I really do

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