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Post by henpecked on Jan 17, 2016 17:27:49 GMT -5
Ours will stay chipped to Gap. B*** the fine. They have both Gap & our phone nos on tags, also when we go on hol get a disc with "on holiday" & hol address & put on collar with main disc. x x
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Post by burnsider on Jan 18, 2016 5:28:04 GMT -5
If they find the chip hasn't been updated they give you 28 days to do it before they fine. Last year my scenario happened to a dog we rehomed. Bonnie was left with a person she knew well. Her owner was on holiday and couldn't get back. The dog bolted within 2 hours of her flying. Luckily her owner was contacted by a family member and she gave them my number. It didn't sadly have a happy ending for Bonnie as she got clipped by a car 5 days after running and during an amputation to amputate her leg she passed away. IF our adopters carry out instructions issued at time of adoption and carry a legal identification disk on the dogs collars with their details and ours then the microchips are only ever a back up. Incidentally....All these new rules are being implimented but microchips will still NOT be legal proof of ownership so should your dog go missing and someone else bugger off with it and fabricate a story you'd still not have leg to stand on. I find it bloody infuriating I really do Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards Petlog, who Reggie is registered with, state that they take up to 28 days to update details after receiving the information which they only accept by post ( www.petlog.org.uk/pet-owners/change-pet-ownership/). That could be too late! All that is needed is dual registration, which according to Ted, Petlog do. I'd be more than happy to pay any admin charge. I'm more than happy for Reggie to remain registered to GG. This is one of the reasons why I support GG. It demonstrates that GG is a REALLY caring organisation. Lisa, the solution you offered us for Reggie grabbing Lola's collar and shaking her was to remove collars at home, which we still do. There is therefore a very small risk of one of them deciding to "leg it" when we open the door to a visitor without their ID tag (although as you're very aware Reggie is more interested in the potential fuss he'll get!  ). My bottom line is that GG is currently asking adopters to break the law, which I fine quite disturbing and NOT conducive to future adoptions. |
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Post by burnsider on Jan 18, 2016 6:01:26 GMT -5
From Petlog's FAQs: Lisa, you are inferring that we have to be served a "Notice" before any action will be taken. If Petlog take the 28 days implied then the keeper gets fined, not the person/organization currently registered. This appears to be an entirely avoidable situation! For personal and business reasons, many of us like to keep a clean record with "the authorities". As noted in my previous post, this could lead to difficulties in future adoptions and in the worst case, return of dogs to your care. Not a great option for any of us! |
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Post by vickyb on Jan 18, 2016 7:32:28 GMT -5
I've just updated Gracies to add extra phone numbers (you can have 3) As it's a few years since she was chipped I didn't have internet access so petlog sent me a new certificate out with the necessary password on it which took 2 days to arrive. I was then able to log on, pay my £6 and add the numbers so no need to do it by post unless it's a change of owner and it updates quickly. (she's not a gap dog) The rescue Maddie came from are putting her into my name as she's only with them as an oversight because she was a foster but she has our numbers on it. Can we all add Gaps number to our non gap dogs  I can't see a 2nd chip being any use as surely the person scanning will only be looking for 1 so a second could be missed? |
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Post by burnsider on Jan 18, 2016 7:57:00 GMT -5
I can't see a 2nd chip being any use as surely the person scanning will only be looking for 1 so a second could be missed? But if you're told your details are not registered to the chip, you can get a second scan and prove they are. |
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Post by samburns on Jan 18, 2016 9:13:04 GMT -5
My bottom line is that GG is currently asking adopters to break the law, which I fine quite disturbing and NOT conducive to future adoptions. We are absolutely not asking anyone to break the law. It is up to adopters whether they wish to change the registered details on the microchip as they are the 'keepers' of their adopted dogs. We will assist those that wish to change their details and as we have access to the databases it does not take 28 days as it could do going through the microchip companies. Our adopted dogs' welfare has always been paramount and the new legislation really does not sit comfortably with us as a charity because it does now open up an area of risk that we had always safeguarded against by having them microchipped to us. What Lisa describes is something that happened locally to me. The petsitter lost the dog, the family were out of the country and the dog was picked up straying and taken to the pound. She could have been PTS. She was actually rehomed by the pound and the owners were very fortunate that the people who rehomed her agreed to return the dog to the original owners: www.doglost.co.uk/dog-blog.php?dogId=81057#.VpzuJVJNP2QWe can all say this wouldn't happen to us but there are so many variables. The bottom line is that we can be contacted 24 hours, all year round. For this reason, however adopters decide to proceed our preference would be that adopters keep Gap's details on the microchip. The infuriating thing in all of this is that authorities are still not being required by law to scan animals for microchips. It is always therefore going to be the safest thing to ensure your dog is wearing a tag (which incidentally is still law, yet I have never seen a single prosecution for failure to have one or not having one with all the legally requisite information on it and I see people breaking this law daily). . In April 2015 (in anticipation of this legislation) we began to microchip all Gap's dogs with Avid microchips, which allow for dual registration of the adopter's (keeper's) details and Gap's details. We can access the Avid database which means that adopters post-April 2015 can contact us to update their chip details (ie with change of address or in the event the dog is lost/stolen). Pre-April 2015 Gap's dogs were microchipped with Petlog chips. The new legislation requires adopters to change the microchip details but no criminal offence is created for failure on an adopter's part to change the microchip details. If a dog is scanned and the chip is found not to be legally compliant (with the keeper's details), the keeper will be served with a notice stating they must change the details within 28 days. Failure to do so after service of a notice IS a criminal offence (punishable by way of a fine). Again we can handle updating these chips if adopters request us to do so. It is not permissible to implant a second microchip into a dog unless the first microchip has failed. |
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Post by Ted on Jan 18, 2016 10:16:51 GMT -5
According to my reading PetLog chips can have two carers allocated against each PetLog recorded microchip. This surely would cover the adopters of Gaps dogs as both Gap and the adopter would be recorded on the microchips record. My hounds have different types of chips as two were microchipped by the Greyhound acing Industry, one was originally recorded in Spain and not the UK but that microchip failed and she had to be rechipped with a new microchip for Pet Passport rules my elderly Greyhound was microchipped by a non PetLog chip. However all are now recorded on my account with PetLog who only charged me for the cost of one dog to record all four, in fact I still have Missy recorded on my PetLog even though she was pts in December 2011 by an incompenant vet giving her the wrong sedation drug whilst about to x-ray her left rear leg after she broke her Femur.
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Post by Lisa on Jan 18, 2016 13:07:14 GMT -5
Likewise to add to what Sam said...so many eventualities an adopter of ours lay dead for a week undiscovered. When found the Rspca were called to take the dogs. As the dogs were starved dehydrated and had unfortunately messed with the bodies they deemed them best off euthanised. They were due to receive the needle asap. Upon us first ringing and demanding our dogs safe return they refused. It was only upon us insisting they damn well scanned them and we'd create holy hell if killed we managed to secure their return. An adopter emigrated and gave our dogs away. Again thankfully we were notified by a scanning vet. 1 of our rehomed dogs turned up in a pound. Thankfully we were informed and able to get the dog out to stop pts. Some companies will allow us dual registration. Some that our chips are with won't. Our dogs have always been guaranteed absolute safety should the bizarre or sublime happen. Now they aren't. The dogs once changed out of Gap are on their own. Likewise as are the adopters sadly. That chip always guaranteed someone who gave a toss about the dog being contactable if god forbid the owners werent. Not anymore with the ones that won't duel register. Likewise now once dogs go missing if we are no longer on the chip we can not trigger the dog as missing with the chip companies which we have always handled so the owner can head out searching. As a safety net no ifs no buts we fail
Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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Post by Ted on Jan 19, 2016 10:49:08 GMT -5
Dogs Trust have set up free micro chipping at various locations around the UK at various vets, dog parlours etc.
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Post by burnsider on Jan 20, 2016 3:06:20 GMT -5
....Our adopted dogs' welfare has always been paramount and the new legislation really does not sit comfortably with us as a charity because it does now open up an area of risk that we had always safeguarded against by having them microchipped to us..... The Law is often an ass, but we are stuck with it! I couldn't agree more about the dog's welfare, this is why I think Gap is one of the (if not the) most responsible rescues in UK! But unfortunately I'm not in a position to risk a challenge from law enforcers. Everyone's circumstances are different. Reggie is registered to Petlog, which apparently allows dual registration which I'm hoping will happen. Loss of registration to Gap is not what I want, I value your efforts and care, but due to my circumstances I need my details registering too. Hope that does something to clarify my situation. |
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Post by samburns on Jan 20, 2016 5:59:16 GMT -5
To update the microchip please email enquiries@greyhoundgap.org.uk with the following information:
Chip number (should be on your vaccination card/adoption paperwork)
Dog's original Gap given name (the chip will remain in this name)
Your Full Name
Your Full Address
Contact telephone number(s)
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Post by ragsysmum on Jan 20, 2016 10:51:12 GMT -5
To update the microchip please email enquiries@greyhoundgap.org.uk with the following information: Chip number (should be on your vaccination card/adoption paperwork) Dog's original Gap given name (the chip will remain in this name) Your Full Name Your Full Address Contact telephone number(s) Sorry, being a bit gormless here but is this to change the chip reg. from GAP to new owner or is it to ADD new owners name to chip reg. details please? I'd like to keep Elsie chipped to GAP (just in case) but happy to have my details added also if that is possible on the chip Elsie has which doesn't have the type/make listed with the number. |
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Post by Lisa on Jan 20, 2016 11:59:30 GMT -5
I have spoken to the chip company again today that we now register with...
Basically its down to the owners to change the details if they wish not the rescue. We are trying to handle it as a duty of care to arrange duel registration which is better for the dogs.
They clarified once again should the dog go missing after 2016 and be picked up by a dog warden the owner will simply be issued with a notice to register the chip to them or duel register if the company allows some dont. If they dont comply after the 28 days there will be an issue but only after.
Some companies sadly wont allow duel registration which is a ball ache as we have some dogs with them! That means those dogs will have no record of Gap on their chip at all if the owners chose to change. Thankfully since we have been implanting chips ourselves ALL of the chips we have implanted are registered as SOLD to Greyhound Gap which once again makes a massive difference as avid who we are now with will see us as the implanter again and know in an instance.
Those wishing for us to attempt duel registration please do do the above and Jen will modify them. We will try to notify you if its a company that wont allow duel but we can but keep our fingers crossed we do not have many
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Post by Lisa on Jan 20, 2016 12:13:08 GMT -5
Actually slight rant lol as the new chipping laws wont make a scrap of difference to those dumping dogs.....
These new microchipping laws are causing us rescues a massive ball ache fact! The truth of the matter is it wont make a sods scrap of difference to those dumping dogs. I had another chat with avid today who said that basically we did not have to do sod all the changing off the chip was down to the people who have adopted from us' owner. Right okay so fast forward to April.... I dont want my dog anymore I lob it out on the street. The dog gets picked up and the dog warden scans it and rings me.... I simply say I sold it on mate to a bloke in the pub its not my fault if he did not change the chip it was his responsibility not mine! Really really not very well thought out was it? If they wanted it to have any form of affect it should be in two parts a bit like a car log book, seller fills in some and so does the new owner. I hate the fact that they are making it so difficult for us to now protect our dogs
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Post by greybeard on Jan 20, 2016 19:16:40 GMT -5
Lisa - what a difference a word makes.We thought you owned our hounds (like other rescues) and if anything horrible happened they came back to you - brilliant security net.And you always said if a bonded non- Gap dog was involed the same - which was brilliant for Kiz.But now,having looked at Sam's link it's worrying.Not getting at you cos I know how busy you are - but I've always kept the dog papers together.But I can't find the confirmation of adoption for Perry or Jem,so where does that leave us?They are chipped to you(fine) but living here and no proof - never worried before,but can't do anything about dual registration.Cath
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