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Post by wings on Jan 2, 2015 5:52:42 GMT -5
Over the last few months, Lela has started having accidents in the house. In the past 2 weeks, she has peed inside 4 times. Big lakes. This is very unlike her, she used to have an iron bladder! I was wondering if anyone has experience with this, or has any advice.
We've been to the vet, who has ruled out diabetes (no glucose in urine) and kidney problems (urine is concentrated). There was a tiny bit of protein in her urine, but no blood and she does not have a fever, so the vet does not think it is an infection. We are currently giving her a course of anti biotics, just in case, but this does not seem to be the problem.
The vet also thinks she is not incontinent, as there is no leakage while she is sleeping.
We are trying to walk her more often, but sometimes we are unable to (for example, I work 3 days a week and we have a dog walker in the middle of the day the - but can't really afford 2 dog walker visits a day). But I'm not sure if the problem is that she can't hold it as long any more. Last week, I took her for a half hour walk at 11.30, and she did several pees while on the walk. Then she peed inside on the rug a couple of hours later, while I was downstairs with her!
So she will even pee when we are in the room with her, and does not even ask to go out. Very odd. She does not seem to be upset at all, she just calmly squats down and pees, and goes back to sleep on her bed.
The vet thinks Lela might be going a little senile (she is 10 years old). I don't see any other changes in her behaviour, but then again she sleeps all day so there is not much "behaviour" to change....
Does anyone have experience of this, or ideas of what could be causing this?
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Post by gilli176 on Jan 2, 2015 6:07:17 GMT -5
Sounds much like dizzy we are putting it down to age she's about 12. The vet gave us some incurin,but it didn't seem to make a difference
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Post by Flaperoo on Jan 2, 2015 6:23:37 GMT -5
Our Roo started doing this about a year ago. Like you we had him checked out at the vet with no medical answers.
What we noticed was whenever he woke up he would go to the toilet immediately so now we watch him like a hawk and every time he goes to get up we let him out. We still have accidents and last night with six of us in the house none of us spotted him on the move and we had another puddle to deal with.
We also crate him when we are not around because this does seem to motivate him to hold on until we get back.
Several years ago we got rid of all carpets and changed our flooring. I am so glad we did.
Good luck
Maryx
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Post by vickyb on Jan 2, 2015 6:37:50 GMT -5
Our Trixie had spay incontinence for years and she started by 'leaking' huge pools in the day rather than the dampness in the night but she didn't squat to do it, it was as if she was unaware of it until she realised that she was laid in a puddle then she became quite distressed. Propalin and Incurin worked for her.
Poor girl and poor you, can't be easy. I've no ideas other than I can recommend dry nights disposable bed mats or wet mats from Jacobs den on-line if she starts to be predictable where she goes.
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Post by wings on Jan 2, 2015 8:57:47 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies!
I am feeling a little deflated now, thinking it might be a permanent thing. It's not so bad when she pees on the hard floor, as it's quite easy to clean, but unfortunately she quite likes to pee on the deep shag pile woolen rug, which is impossible to clean properly....
We're going to try to take her out whenever she gets up. Bring on the summer, when the garden hopefully won't be such a mud bath!
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Post by Flaperoo on Jan 2, 2015 11:02:40 GMT -5
Try not to be too despondent, although I posted about Roo having this problem, he doesn't have it all the time. He can be fine for a few weeks and then it starts again.
I know what you mean about the mud. Also in the summer you can leave the back door open and she would probably go out by herself.
Thinking of you
Maryx
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Post by andywillow on Jan 2, 2015 19:23:39 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies! I am feeling a little deflated now, thinking it might be a permanent thing. It's not so bad when she pees on the hard floor, as it's quite easy to clean, but unfortunately she quite likes to pee on the deep shag pile woolen rug, which is impossible to clean properly.... We're going to try to take her out whenever she gets up. Bring on the summer, when the garden hopefully won't be such a mud bath! Take the rug up? Just a thought  Hard flooring is the way to go with old dogs, vetbed down if need be as it washes easily  |
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Post by wings on Jan 15, 2015 15:42:54 GMT -5
Just an update as Lela has finished her course of anti biotics but is still peeing in the house.
We are walking her more often, but she will pee in the house even with very regular walks. For example, yesterday and today she peed in the kitchen around 10.30am even though she was walked at 7am and at 8.30/9am (she did several pees on those morning walks). She was then walked for about an hour from 11 to 12, and was home alone until 5.30, when I got home from work, and she had not peed and was happily staying on her bed when I walked in. So it seems like she can go longer periods between pees sometimes, but not others. Or perhaps she is just not bothered and pees whenever she feels like it.
Her pee seems quite dark. At the vet visit a few weeks ago, the vet said her pee was quite concentrated. The sample contained the first pee of the day, so I thought that would explain why it was concentrated. Now I'm wondering if the dark pee is a sign of something else.
We recently changed her food from More to Canagan, because she seemed to have lost interest in More. She is now eating better and has put on some weight. Again, I'm wondering if the change in food could have an effect, but it is a very good food and she looks really healthy on it. She is in fact looking much better than she did a few months ago.
Perhaps she is just getting senile, as the vet said. I don't have any experience with this, but she seems fine and bright in other areas. In fact, she is happier than she has ever been. Over the last couple of years or so, she has become more relaxed (for example, recovering more quickly from fireworks), keener on walks and just a more 'normal' dog. Could that be linked to her becoming a little senile? Could that affect her in a positive way like this? I thought it would make dogs more withdrawn and stressed, but perhaps not. A lot has changed in the last couple of years (us having a baby, me being home a lot more as I was on 1 year maternity leave and now work part time instead of full time), so those things could also have affected her in a positive way.
I think I'm going to take her back to the vets, but I'm not sure what I could ask the vet about. Am I wasting my money? Or does anyone know any other avenues we could pursue at the vets? We only had her urine analysed and the vet had a general, non-invasive look at her.
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Post by Lisa on Jan 16, 2015 2:30:42 GMT -5
Shes a normally clean switched on dog. The urine needs checking again. If it has been sent off for analysis it needs checking that it was cultured fully for days and allowed to see what if anything grew. There is every chance the antibiotic used has been broad spectrum and not the right one and she may need a combination of more than one. Taking into account her age if bloods have not been taken then bloods need taking to check out her kidney function also
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Post by andywillow on Jan 16, 2015 4:41:14 GMT -5
That's really weird that you've mentioned canagan food, I help my friend in her petshop a few hours a week and a lady came in saying that since changing her boxer onto canagan it too had started peeing in the house and had never done it before.
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Post by lurcherlot on Jan 16, 2015 4:47:46 GMT -5
That's really weird that you've mentioned canagan food, I help my friend in her petshop a few hours a week and a lady came in saying that since changing her boxer onto canagan it too had started peeing in the house and had never done it before. I hope Lela improves her ways! That's bizarre Sue, but very interesting ... again, I've never heard of Canagan food - is it a northern company? |
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Post by vickyb on Jan 16, 2015 5:31:13 GMT -5
No, they're in Buckinghamshire Liz. One of the newer companies doing high protein grain free, think they're aiming at the Orijen / Acana market. Not tried them.
I have heard a few people say before that they think their dog has started to wee inside after a change of food. Worth changing again I reckon. I have also heard people say dogs with worms wee more but I don't know if it's an old wives tale and I guess you worm her regularly with a little one about
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Post by andywillow on Jan 16, 2015 7:49:29 GMT -5
That's really weird that you've mentioned canagan food, I help my friend in her petshop a few hours a week and a lady came in saying that since changing her boxer onto canagan it too had started peeing in the house and had never done it before. I hope Lela improves her ways! That's bizarre Sue, but very interesting ... again, I've never heard of Canagan food - is it a northern company? It is bizarre isn't it! Rachael who owns the pet shop was talking to the lady and she said she had swapped the dog over fairly quickly. The canagan is 65% meat content so much higher than most dry foods. It was the game flavoured one that the boxer was on, will be interesting to see which one Lola is on. |
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Post by wings on Jan 16, 2015 9:00:13 GMT -5
Thanks for the further replies! We have booked another vet visit for tomorrow.
Regarding the urine analysis, they just did it there and then, it took just a couple of minutes. I’ll ask about having a cultured urine analysis, and also a blood test.
Strange about the boxer who started peeing after the Canagan food. I am a little hesitant to take her off this food, as she seems to like it and is looking really good on it. It is supposed to be a very good food. It’s the most expensive one they store in our pet shop (Pet’s Corner), so I thought I couldn’t go wrong with it! I’ll have to investigate further. By the way, she is on the large breed chicken flavoured one.
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Post by julies on Jan 16, 2015 16:33:44 GMT -5
It's worth taking her off the Canagan and putting her back on her old food and see if that helps stops the weeing, if I remember Origen is very high in protein - about 35%? If this is the same maybe her kidneys can't cope with the high protein, dry food and her age so she's drinking more and so having to pee more ... I'd certainly change her back and see what happens - you can go back to the food if it's not that. Oh and cost doesn't signify good value  Hope she's OK J x |
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