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Post by elmuervo on May 13, 2012 13:03:28 GMT -5
Long story but I have sacked my vet (will explain in another post later) and took Lily to another vet as she got so much worse and my normal vet said she was fine (she wanted to shut and get home Sat lunch time). The new vet is experienced with greyhounds and said the vetergesic would have left Lilys system within 24 hours and she should have returned to normal, she also said she should never have been given it. She said she felt lily had suffered a slight stroke due to the way the vetergesic affected her or it could have been underlying. New vet admitted her straight away. Lily is now home and more settled but still does not seeem to know us properly and gets scared when i take her outside. Her eyes are far away in another world. Reading your post again I wonder if it induced a mild stroke in Biggly too. My new vet picked up on it immeadietly as only the week before she had treated two greyhounds who suffered strokes and that had MRI scans to confirm it. Lily is going back to the vets tomorrow. I will do another post later showing Videos of lily as she was and a photo of how she is now and explaining the awful treatment of my old vets. I'm so sorry that Lily's not yet back to herself   What you say is very interesting, and I do think there's a mystery with Biggly's 'episode' that we'll never really know the truth of  . Ralf (Gap's wonderful vet) was very honest with us in saying that whatever was mechanically wrong with Biggles did not fully explain his symptoms: Whilst there was definitely spinal pain present (which reacted well to pain control and total rest), Ralf was open-minded to the possibility that Biggly might also have at least some neurological involvement contributing to his problems. Had Biggly not reacted so well so pain management, CT/MRI scans of his head were next on the list of investigations to do . . . As I say, Biggly managed well and improved greatly over a period of six weeks or so, BUT that period of illness did leave him with rear leg weakness (he struggles with the stairs and steps etc.), he occasionally drags his back feet and often does not correct them properly - or at all - if they turn too far outwards or inwards . Without subjecting him to a load of diagnostic tests - and the risks associated with a GA - we'll never know the truth. It's enough for us to know that he's comfortable and happy, if a little bit wonky bless him  Jo x |
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Post by vickyb on May 13, 2012 13:32:05 GMT -5
Just had a look and Maddie had vetergesic on fri when she had GA for her scan and she was fine. Either vets are getting the dose wrong or some dogs are just sensitive to it.
Gracie has a problem with Noroclav/Synlux injections, she develops an egg sized abscess like lump then her skin splits and it's all grey and horrible inside. Happened twice when it's been given when she's had an operation.
Now on her notes not to give it.
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Post by julies on May 13, 2012 13:32:32 GMT -5
Jo Just to butt in .. on a TTouch thing .. and this works with arthriticky dogs, you could put a child's hair scrunchie on Biggly's hind legs just to give him an idea of them and encourage him to use them a bit ... if you try it just have them on for a minute or two and build it up as he'll be using muscles he won't have used for a long time and you don't want him to strain himself  You can put a scrunchie on his hock or lower down .. one on each leg then encourage him to potter about and take them off If you could repeat that maybe a couple fo times a day it might encourage him to use his legs more J xx |
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Post by madmare on May 13, 2012 14:41:24 GMT -5
Just had a look and Maddie had vetergesic on fri when she had GA for her scan and she was fine. Either vets are getting the dose wrong or some dogs are just sensitive to it. Gracie has a problem with Noroclav/Synlux injections, she develops an egg sized abscess like lump then her skin splits and it's all grey and horrible inside. Happened twice when it's been given when she's had an operation. Now on her notes not to give it. Apparently Vetergesic is fine given with a general anesthetic as they sleep it off with the anesthetic. My new vet says she would never give it to a greyhound at any other time though. Is Noroclav penicillan (sp) as I think thats what Lily reacted to last year and spent 24 hours shaking and panting then. But once the injection was out of her system she was fine. She is not allowed penicillan anymore now though. |
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Post by vickyb on May 13, 2012 14:56:25 GMT -5
Ah that makes sense. Yes Noroclav is a strong penicillin which can pool under the skin of dogs with little fat like greys and go really nasty Scary isn't it all |
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Post by nessa20 on Jul 25, 2015 1:03:55 GMT -5
Poor poor Lily I can only offer some 'there's light at the end of the tunnel' experience for you Yes, Vetergesic is a very powerful sedative. It was given to Biggles in April last year when he was in terrible pain (of undetermined cause at that time, later found to be spinal pain). He'd been in acute pain for a number of hours, wasn't given proper pain relief by our ex-vet and duly become stressed to the point of collapse. Rather than scan him or x-ray him, our ex-vet just sedated him with Vetergesic and returned him to us the next day as 'fine' . But Biggles wasn't fine: He was in a worse state pain-wise than he had been to begin with, plus he now had the confusion and 'tripping' that you describe to contend with as well . To be honest, it took Biggly days and days to come back round properly and lose the saucer-eyed stare that Vetergesic gave him. He was not himself at all for the best part of a week - he was really spaced-out, had slow reactions to our voices and was very confused. It was really unsettling, but he did get back to his old self after a week or so had passed . . . and after he'd seen Gap's vet and was finally given swift and appropriate care! I'm sure Vetergesic has a vital part to play in the care of some animals, but our experience of it was horrid and I'd never consent to any of my dogs being given it again. Hang in there, even though I know you must be worried sick . I hope Lily's soon back to her old self. Jo x every word thats here is same as my zola last monday hes still like a drunk he does not have pain i no hes go bad aritius but if i new what they were giving him id not let them he is , away with faires im feeding him liquid food hes drinking him self but does not want a meal any more advice help please im worried for him he is not being sick , toilt ok just spaced out since monday 12.20 uk time its now saturday 7am uk hed just eaten before the vet 2, i have hunted the internet looks like its not good for dogs to me im scared he is 14 , can anyone help was there dog of there food aswell , water hes doing himself please if anyone reads this get back please |
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Post by Ted on Jul 25, 2015 19:57:06 GMT -5
This drug should never be given to dogs with very little body fat such as Greyhounds. The reason being is it meant as a slow reaction release pain killer which lasts for nearly a week but only in breeds of dogs that have a normal level of body fat as 95% of it goes into the body fat. However with dogs with very little body fat like Greyhounds this drug is completely released in one go. This results in it being a source of massive pain to Greyhounds etc and will take 24 hours to be out of the dogs system. I have had very bad reaction with three of my Greyhounds after being given this drug, resulting in me having to nurse maid all three over a 24 hour period. My first Greyhound went into what seemed a Heron overdose for 24 hours such that we had to have the curtains closed, the only light from a candle and no radio nor TV. The second Greyhound was given this drug after he badly reacted to an old fashion vaccination booster and it made the resulting pain much worse again it took 24 hours to get the drug out of his system. The third Greyhound had two occasions when she was given this drug, the first being after she was spayed and she screamed the whole 15 miles home on an Easter Monday in 2012 whilst we were travelling in a massive traffic jam on the A48 and M4 such that I thought we may have got stopped by either the police or RSPCA thinking someone was beating the dog. Again once home it took 24 hours before this drug was out of her system. On the second occasion she was given this drug by a Locum vet after he had repaired a large wound in her side. This locum vet had not read her notes written by my present vet that Vetagestic should never be given to her nor any of my other Hounds. She again screamed all the way home, less than a mile this time, and again it took 24 hours for this drug to finally be out of her system.
As I said and this has been confirmed by our German trained vets at the Animal Doctors in Clydach Swansea that Vetagestic drug should never be given to dogs having very little body fat compared to other canine breeds. The problem is some vets will not listen to reason from their customers, if that is the case change vets to ones that know about Greyhounds etc.
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